need i would be very surprised. in fact or meet habit in this country and the system that's been designed to accommodate that had it has to do with mcdonald's, burger king, it has to do with the kind of passing food that is not delivered, the dismal delicious and holds no cultural importance. it's the disposable meals, let's dispose of those disposable uses of meat and haunted things important to us and if we did just that factory farmers would be dismantled quickly especially because we would free up a
certain amount of money in the budget to buy actually good meat which actually tastes much better. it's funny i've done a lot of these farms because they won taste tests. like the good shop farm, he sort of the hero of my book. he won "the new york times" taste test for turkey, second and feared place. because how good could an animal ill throughout its life come stressed throughout its life, drugs through its life and ultimately made to reside in a quarry in bath to wipe off the feces and bible, how good could that possibly taste? >> let me start down here. i know he had his hand up. >> are there considerations for modern industrialized cultural side of meat eating such as massive monocultures -- is their
ethics beyond meat? >> of course. i don't happen to know a town about it. i know monoculture is all about livestock. one classic stereotypes about the treen suite a lot of sleep. nobody eats like to the coast like a meat leader. 95% fizzes livestock. we are also what we eat eats and the things we are eating is corn and soy and it's a terrible shame because corn and soy our foods we can digest whereas grass, livestock typically is a food we can't digest so it's totally reversed in terms of feeding humans. when we talk about clear-cutting the rainforests, 7 acres in this country, for every 1 acre in america that is devoted now to rhodes, shopping malls, houses,
businesses, any kind for urban development there are seven that are now devoted to livestock and it's all for these monoculture crops that you're talking about but michael pollan knows much more than i do. and what right about eight -- >> i am sorry, they are going to stay in selling books and then maybe you can squeeze in a question. i want to end with a quote that's actually on franks website about his book. it says about the promise and peril of a great meal, and i think that those encapsulate both all of this discussion. thank you both for joining us. [applause] >> [inaudible conversations]
the author of the question of freedom. mr. betts, tell us what your story is. >> i guess the short version of the stories when i was 16i carjacked someone and the next day i got locked up, i plead guilty and spent eight and half years in prison and the book is about how that aid and a half years in prison prepared me to be a husband, father and set myself up for the life i live now. >> what changed for you in prison? >> i think a lot of stuff change but i spent my formative years in prison from 16 to 24 so the main thing i changed is me realizing i had to work harder than i ever worked before to accomplish the goals i had if i
had any shot of accomplishing those goals. and before prison i thought i could cause my way through a successful life and i thought i could make certain mistakes i should have known what effect me forever. but i just didn't realize they would affect me and follow me forever. >> how is a you got to a point you carjacked somebody at age 16? >> you know, i think that's the hardest question people ask me. but in a lot of ways it's the easiest question to answer. you think about cities in which there's a lot of resources and i was young and even though i was intelligent i never really talked to somebody who had gone to college. i never really talked to somebody who had achieved some of the things i wanted to achieve. and it's on to say that alone is a reason to carjack somebody. but when you're looking for reasons and things you can do to change the lives of others i feel like if i would have been exposed to more, i have been able to make better decisions because it already boiled down to one day i had a gun in my hand, and it was just this
opportunity. and that's the type of opportunity we hope no child has. but when we look around the societies and communities, we see that unfortunately a lot of kids are exposed to that level of violence and just like me, can't navigate in a way that leaves them outside a jail. >> when did you start writing your book? >> again, that's a difficult question to answer an easy question. i started writing it really the moment i got locked up because i started analyzing what it meant to be black and in prison and prison at 16 before i could drink before i could drive come before i was of college age. and so, my process of thinking about those things began a journey to writing the book. but the actual book contract and me sitting down to write a book began summer of 2007. >> how long had you been out of prison at that point? >> at that point, i was released march 4th, 2005 so at that point i had been out of prison for two years. and the book came about because i was featured on front page of
"the washington post" for a book club i ran for boys of america. the book was the consequence of my love and my commitment to literature, and i tell people it seems like it's about prison and in a lot of ways it is about prison but it's really about my love of literature and how that love of literature change me into a different person. >> dwayne betts, question of freedom.
bryan garner is the co-author of "making your case." what is it like writing a book with the supreme court justice? >> first it's an honor that we had quite a few debates as we went along. the reason we wrote the book together is we have a very similar philosophy of writing and advocacy, but what we got into the book we had disagreements so there are four debates in the middle of the book which are kind of fun. we've just done the audio book that we read in october back and forth. he would read a section, i would read a section. but in the sections in which we have disputes, we would have our arguments back and forth. so it was a lot of fun working with him. i would say he is justice scalia is not at all the way the public receives him to be.
in my view he was surprisingly humble to work with and he acquiesced a good bit of the time when we disagreed. >> how did you get hooked up with him? >> originally i was -- i was interviewing of the supreme court justices on their views on advocacy and on writing. and i've written a number of books on the subject. so, i invited him to collaborate with me and he accepted. it was as simple as that. >> host: where are you from and do you teach? >> guest: i do teacher on the country. i have a company called law pros and we do seminars for lawyers around the country. i teach at smu law school as well. but mostly what i do raise teaching on the road, teaching lawyers. >> succumb if a lehman brothers picks up this book making your case what are they going to learn? >> they are going to learn how
to persuade, how to speak credibly, how to write credibly, in fact there have been business people already writing reviews about how it could make them better -- help them make better business presentations and how anyone in any kind of argument can at least be sure he or she has a cogent logical argument. that is what the b allook is about. >> bryan garner with justice scalia, "making your case the art of persuading judges."